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instead of the medicare trustees had said that like it or not, obama care extended the life of medicare to eight years to 2024. this brings it back to about 2016 which would be the last week of a romney administration. gwen: but they don't want to have this fight about this. this is where they lose voters? >> there's no way in the current public opinion climate that mitt romney can win a narrow policy debate about medicare. public opinion is overwhelmingly fixed on this. almost 70% of people in a pew poll said they would oppose medicare cuts even for something they oppose. the debate that mitt romney thinks he can win with this pick is the boldness debate, the leadership debate. we're willing to think big was a the country's in -- this country is facing big problems. and so that they can create a sort of larger atmospheric realm. we are problem solvers and the president is awol. >> i wonder if the obama campaign isn't thinking to themselves we can kill them on the details. it's not a good thing for this debate. what paul ryan had planned for medicaid which is the federally financed prog
instead of the medicare trustees had said that like it or not, obama care extended the life of medicare to eight years to 2024. this brings it back to about 2016 which would be the last week of a romney administration. gwen: but they don't want to have this fight about this. this is where they lose voters? >> there's no way in the current public opinion climate that mitt romney can win a narrow policy debate about medicare. public opinion is overwhelmingly fixed on this. almost 70% of...
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tonight, medicare. ever since mitt romney selected paul ryan as his running mate two weeks ago, medicare has become a subject of hot debate on the campaign trail. to a large extent that's because ryan-- as chairman of the house budget committee-- has proposed a big change to medicare over time. he wants it to eventually move to a system where some beneficiaries would receive fixed payments to buy an insurance plan. romney has not embraced the full ryan plan but has signed onto that concept. >> when there are big issues that come up, like how do we save medicare, instead of doing this man said, "yeah, we'll get it back." this man said i'm going to find democrats to work with, found a democrat to co-lead a piece of legislation to make sure that we can save medicare. >> woodruff: new polling out today shows romney's support for ryan's idea could be giving president obama an edge in some key swing states. the quinnipiac university, the "new york times," and cbs news found in a joint poll that more voters in
tonight, medicare. ever since mitt romney selected paul ryan as his running mate two weeks ago, medicare has become a subject of hot debate on the campaign trail. to a large extent that's because ryan-- as chairman of the house budget committee-- has proposed a big change to medicare over time. he wants it to eventually move to a system where some beneficiaries would receive fixed payments to buy an insurance plan. romney has not embraced the full ryan plan but has signed onto that concept....
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we didn't cut medicare-- of course we don't have medicare-- but we didn't cut medicare by $716 billion. we didn't put in place a board that will tell people ultimately what treatments they can receive. we didn't also do something that i think a number of people across this country recognized which is put people in a position where they're going to lose the insurance they had and they wanted. right now, the c.b.o. says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as obamacare goes into effect next year. and likewise, a study by makinsy and company of american businesses said 30% of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage. for those reasons, for the tax, for medicare, if this board and people losing their insurance, this is where the american people don't want obamacare. it's why republicans said don't do this. the republicans had a plan. they put a plan out. a bipartisan plan. it was swept aside. i think something this big, this important has to be done on a bipartisan base, and we have to have a president who can reach across the aisle and fashion important legislation
we didn't cut medicare-- of course we don't have medicare-- but we didn't cut medicare by $716 billion. we didn't put in place a board that will tell people ultimately what treatments they can receive. we didn't also do something that i think a number of people across this country recognized which is put people in a position where they're going to lose the insurance they had and they wanted. right now, the c.b.o. says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as obamacare goes into...
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as we know it, medicare as we know it ends in 12 years. that's not allen west, that is the actuaries and trustees of medicare and social security saying those things. >> reporter: the issue of the ryan plan, while a flashpoint now in florida, has been years in the making in washington. it was back in 2008 when ryan first proposed it as a way to curb spending. since then? a number of bi-partisan efforts to tackle the debt have failed. last spring, president obama took the issues of medicare and debt to the stage in washington. >> i will not allow medicare to become a voucher program that leaves seniors at the mercy of the insurance industry; with shrinking benefits to pay rising costs. >> reporter: with ryan in the front row mr. obama laid bare the agenda for a political season that hadn't yet arrived. in the primaries, former governor mitt romney said he fully supported the ryan plan, but he has since backed away from a complete endorsement. >> people become concerned. no changes for current retirees >> reporter: meanwhile, democrats acros
as we know it, medicare as we know it ends in 12 years. that's not allen west, that is the actuaries and trustees of medicare and social security saying those things. >> reporter: the issue of the ryan plan, while a flashpoint now in florida, has been years in the making in washington. it was back in 2008 when ryan first proposed it as a way to curb spending. since then? a number of bi-partisan efforts to tackle the debt have failed. last spring, president obama took the issues of...
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americans have worked for their medicare, they've paid for their medicare. and whether you are 65 or 55 or 45 or 35, you have earned your medicare. [applause] americans deserve the security medicare provides. president obama will strengthen and protect medicare. he already has. and democrats will make the tough choices, the right choices to reduce the deficit and preserve medicare for this generation and for the next. the democratic women of the house know that a secure retirement moves america forward.çç [crowd cheering] >> just about 30 women democratic members of the house of representatives coming together on the stage in force, just the sheer number of themselves a lot about this party. the reverend jesse jackson. >> those congress women who have legitimate position of power, giving them a chance to perform. olympiads and congress people. >> we saw the olympic last week. >> and title 9, by the way. >> let me ask you a trouble making question. i remember the scene of you four years ago on election night, tears in your eyes. none of the wall street pe
americans have worked for their medicare, they've paid for their medicare. and whether you are 65 or 55 or 45 or 35, you have earned your medicare. [applause] americans deserve the security medicare provides. president obama will strengthen and protect medicare. he already has. and democrats will make the tough choices, the right choices to reduce the deficit and preserve medicare for this generation and for the next. the democratic women of the house know that a secure retirement moves america...
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the republican ticket will "preserve and protect medicare." and in an interview sunday with cbs news' "60 minutes", he insisted his campaign would not be based on the ryan budget. >> well, i have my budget plan, as you know, that i've... i've put out, and that's the budget plan that we're going to run on. >> holman: still, in durham, north carolina, vice-president joe biden made it clear the budget issue is going to be front and center for democrats. >> no distinction between what the republican congress has been proposing the last two years-- actually, the last four years-- and what governor romney wants to do. so let's cut through all this-- we're running against... or they're running on what the republican congress has been proposing for the past four years. >> holman: and in council bluffs, iowa, president obama charged ryan and other republicans have blocked congressional action on a number of fronts, including drought relief for farmers. >> i'm told governor romney's new running mate, paul ryan, might be around iowa these next few days.
the republican ticket will "preserve and protect medicare." and in an interview sunday with cbs news' "60 minutes", he insisted his campaign would not be based on the ryan budget. >> well, i have my budget plan, as you know, that i've... i've put out, and that's the budget plan that we're going to run on. >> holman: still, in durham, north carolina, vice-president joe biden made it clear the budget issue is going to be front and center for democrats. >> no...
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you're reducing medicare's cost and that's why? has to pay. that's why polls show people don't want to do this. the fact is you'll be reducing medicare costs by $125 billion. if you're making the argument that the affordable care act gives people opportunities to get insurance elsewhere than than that's what we're doing here and in addition this is effectively a form of means testing. it's saying the wealthiest seniors will have to pay more. they'll have to get insurance privately or work longer and this that the poorest seniors will be more likely to go on medicaid, may work longer or they may also go on the exchanges. so there are other options out there but this is it. this is the point. we're trying to force people to make choices. >> suarez: as we're phasing in the affordable care act as a nation many states are, as they were allowed by the supreme court decision, opting out of that new medicaid plan. can medicaid pick up the slack if the poorest seniors are going to get less services in the states where they live? >> sure. first of all,
you're reducing medicare's cost and that's why? has to pay. that's why polls show people don't want to do this. the fact is you'll be reducing medicare costs by $125 billion. if you're making the argument that the affordable care act gives people opportunities to get insurance elsewhere than than that's what we're doing here and in addition this is effectively a form of means testing. it's saying the wealthiest seniors will have to pay more. they'll have to get insurance privately or work...
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than the basic medicare. and we voted to reduce that. so that did... there was some reduction there. but, no, what i would have done is, frankly, to have... i think the medicare system works well. i think it costs much less for the care delivered than private insurance because you get rid of private insurance. i was for medicare for everybody and i still am and i think that is the way i would... because i do want to say this. i don't think it is a good idea to single out medicare for substantial cost restrictions that don't apply to the whole economy. you put people at a disadvantage. i would like to put us all on medicare and then have cost containment. >> rose: you mentioned michele bachmann. you obviously served in congress with rick santorum. >> yes, i did. >> rose: what do you know about him? >> that he's one of the meanest people in terms of public policy that i have encountered. >> rose: do you really mean that? >> what wod you characterize the response... >> rose: the better question is why do you thi
than the basic medicare. and we voted to reduce that. so that did... there was some reduction there. but, no, what i would have done is, frankly, to have... i think the medicare system works well. i think it costs much less for the care delivered than private insurance because you get rid of private insurance. i was for medicare for everybody and i still am and i think that is the way i would... because i do want to say this. i don't think it is a good idea to single out medicare for...
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didn't get the medicare. but the chief biden-obama vulnerability is still tlk, the lack of a positive agenda. so you saw both vulnerabilities. >> that is what i wanted to ask both of you. if you think one or the other got the better of more arguments or less or it was a draw? i mean how did you see it on the just the sum total of the arguments that they were making? >>. >> probably belying my own biaseses with. >> woodruff: that is why we have you here. >> and mr. bias, i thought biden, i thought biden had a bigger task to perform tonight and i thought he did it. ryan's job was certainly not to lose momentum from last week and i think what was fascinating to me was that biden when asked of romney a lot more ferrociously and aggressively than ryan went after president obama, until the very end. >> woodruff: . >> ifill: in the foreign policy section, on which there was a lot. he did say more than once it was devastating shall and the unraveling of u.s. foreign policy. so he yearly was going after the obama admi
didn't get the medicare. but the chief biden-obama vulnerability is still tlk, the lack of a positive agenda. so you saw both vulnerabilities. >> that is what i wanted to ask both of you. if you think one or the other got the better of more arguments or less or it was a draw? i mean how did you see it on the just the sum total of the arguments that they were making? >>. >> probably belying my own biaseses with. >> woodruff: that is why we have you here. >> and mr....
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obama's health care overhaul would wreck medicare. >> he took $716 billion from the medicare program and spent it on obamacare. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obamacare is an achievement? do you think dropping medicare patients is an achievement? neither do we. >> woodruff: that's the same message the campaign is delivering in its first health care attack ad since the supreme court upheld the president's federal mandate in june. >> some think obamacare is the same as free health care but nothing is free. obama is raiding $716 billion from medicare changing the program forever-- taxing wheelchairs and pacemakers, >> woodruff: the president's campaign also released a new tv ad today, but focused on the issue of public education. >> but mitt romney says class sizes don't matter. and he support's paul ryan's budget that could cut education by 20%. >> you can't do this by shoving 25, 30 people in a class and teaching to a test. >> woodruff: mr. obama carried his education message west to nevada where he told a packed high school gymnasium that governor romney didn't understand t
obama's health care overhaul would wreck medicare. >> he took $716 billion from the medicare program and spent it on obamacare. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obamacare is an achievement? do you think dropping medicare patients is an achievement? neither do we. >> woodruff: that's the same message the campaign is delivering in its first health care attack ad since the supreme court upheld the president's federal mandate in june. >> some think obamacare is the same as...
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used the $716 billion out of medicare, using medicare as a pig guy bank and giving it to obamacare because they have tested it, they have polled it, they have mentioned it every time they go on television. it is effective. >> not true. >> it is an effective argument and republicans don't have a great >> we didn't start medica i recall. >> taxation. >> the middle class will pay less and people making a million dollars or more will begin to contribute slightly more. >> the next time you hear about middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >> question. is this class warfare? susan? >> yes and it works fabulously. absolutely. it has been going on capitol hill for two years and it is certainly part of this campaign. it is the obama campaign saying we are standing up for the middle class and romney is standing up for the rich, for the wealthy. it is one of the main arguments in obama's platform and i think ryan did a very effective job talking about it, leveling it out saying eventually it is going to come to the middle class as well. >>> do you think an argument aid is old because wealth is
used the $716 billion out of medicare, using medicare as a pig guy bank and giving it to obamacare because they have tested it, they have polled it, they have mentioned it every time they go on television. it is effective. >> not true. >> it is an effective argument and republicans don't have a great >> we didn't start medica i recall. >> taxation. >> the middle class will pay less and people making a million dollars or more will begin to contribute slightly more....
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. >> medicare and social zuccotti did so much for my own family. we will let jeopardize this -- medicare and social security did so much for my own family. we will not jeopardize this program. >> the bottom line is that people have to pay more money out of their pocket. >> talking points memo asked the question should obama supporters start freaking out? [laughter] did the vice president head off a freak out. >> i think he probably did. for the days, for the people who are cheering him on, he did with the president did not do the week before. he answered every single thing that iran had to say. i actually thought -- that ryan had to say. i actually thought that, if he had not been billed in that smile the time, which is a biden tick when he is ticked off, if he had not done that, you would have said that he wiped the floor with ryan. but style this matter in these things. >> charles, pick a winner. >> if you heard the track -- if you read the transcript, it is a draw. if you heard it on the radio, by and one. if you saw on tv, by and lost -- bedeid
. >> medicare and social zuccotti did so much for my own family. we will let jeopardize this -- medicare and social security did so much for my own family. we will not jeopardize this program. >> the bottom line is that people have to pay more money out of their pocket. >> talking points memo asked the question should obama supporters start freaking out? [laughter] did the vice president head off a freak out. >> i think he probably did. for the days, for the people who...
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now paul ryan, medicare, romney's taxes. as long as the focus is on romney, it creates doubts about him. as long as he's been unable to ingratiate himself with the american public and to be accepted by them, even though the president isn't doing great as susan suggests, president obama has a better chance. >> ifill: why then if today's distraction provided a... frames this question for me. we spent the last week arguing about' medicare which usually isn't the kind of thing that allows to define the other guy necessarily especially when this seems to be a stand-off over who is going to... >> it's interesting. republicans have taken this head on and tried to take the offensive in medicare which we usually think of as a democrat issue. we had to do that with the pick of paul ryan as a running mate because he has a specific plan on medicare that they felt they had to defend and explain. they did succeed in putting the white house, president obama, a little on the defensive over what the affordable care act does to medicare. to t
now paul ryan, medicare, romney's taxes. as long as the focus is on romney, it creates doubts about him. as long as he's been unable to ingratiate himself with the american public and to be accepted by them, even though the president isn't doing great as susan suggests, president obama has a better chance. >> ifill: why then if today's distraction provided a... frames this question for me. we spent the last week arguing about' medicare which usually isn't the kind of thing that allows to...
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at the money was the savings from medicare were used to prolong the life of medicare as well as to increase benefits immediately, the republicans -- >> rose: this is 719 -- >> yes and the republicans took that same money under the leadership of paul ryan, knowing those savings were there, and used them for tax cuts for -- >> rose: romney says he disagrees with what paul ryan does and there would be a change there. >> they have modified ate bit but haven't modified they would turn this into, they would turn this into a voucher, which means leverage is with the insurer rather than with america's families. >> rose: polls show that governor romney seems to be narrowing the gap among women voters, the gender gap was huge up above ten points and now it seems to be decreasing since the first debate. >> well, i really believe, i know i have watched elections for a long time, that it is very hard to tell how important or how real the polling is at this time. it is a question of who has a cellphone or, are democrats more willing to be interviewed by a pollster, you know, all of those things so i thin
at the money was the savings from medicare were used to prolong the life of medicare as well as to increase benefits immediately, the republicans -- >> rose: this is 719 -- >> yes and the republicans took that same money under the leadership of paul ryan, knowing those savings were there, and used them for tax cuts for -- >> rose: romney says he disagrees with what paul ryan does and there would be a change there. >> they have modified ate bit but haven't modified they...
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ryan is a leading voice for medicare reform. darren gersh takes a closer look at ryan's bold idea. >> reporter: paul ryan's medicare plan basically sends checks to seniors so they can choose their own health insurance. in addition to being patients, the goal is to make them better consumers, too. >> the central idea is to give health plans and, of course, the providers, doctors and hospitals and others, a relatively fixed budget for the year, so that they know that instead of just prescribing more tests, doing more things, that instead, they have to find the best way to treat the patient in the most efficient manner. >> reporter: the critical question is how the payments seniors get from the government, called "premium support," changes over time. critics say the ryan plan's premium support will leave seniors short. >> because it doesn't keep up with health care costs, the difference-- that's going to be made up through higher co-pays, higher deductibles that seniors are going to have to pay. >> reporter: seniors will come out a
ryan is a leading voice for medicare reform. darren gersh takes a closer look at ryan's bold idea. >> reporter: paul ryan's medicare plan basically sends checks to seniors so they can choose their own health insurance. in addition to being patients, the goal is to make them better consumers, too. >> the central idea is to give health plans and, of course, the providers, doctors and hospitals and others, a relatively fixed budget for the year, so that they know that instead of just...
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i have strengthened medicare. i have made reforms that have saved millions of seniors with medicare hundreds of dollars on their prescription drugs. i've proposed reforms that will save medicare money by getting rid of wasteful spending in the health care system, reforms that will not touch your medicare benefits, not by a dime. >> ifill: the obama campaign's web response said romney and ryan would end medicare as we know it. but this is far from the first time campaign rhetoric has run hot in a national campaign. in 1988, bob dole accused felloe republican george h.w. bush of twisting his words. >> stop lying about my record! >> ifill: but today's broadsides between the romney and obama camps are landing especially early with nearly three months still left before election day. so, has the campaign really gotten meaner? and will the tough talk affect how voters decide in november? we turn to two experienced political strategists: mo elleithee, who worked for democrat hillary clinton's 2008 presidential bid, and ri
i have strengthened medicare. i have made reforms that have saved millions of seniors with medicare hundreds of dollars on their prescription drugs. i've proposed reforms that will save medicare money by getting rid of wasteful spending in the health care system, reforms that will not touch your medicare benefits, not by a dime. >> ifill: the obama campaign's web response said romney and ryan would end medicare as we know it. but this is far from the first time campaign rhetoric has run...
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medicare then you are stuck with the weight of medicare and get no real benefit from being a guy who takes on the tough issues. >> i think come friday, even though they will make the argument in all of these meetings and all that we love to talk about medicare and this could be a winning issue for us and do all of this and this is a great way to show the side of us we can do it come friday they want to talk about the economy and jobs. paul ryan on the ticket, even though he has done medicare that's what they want to talk about and if they are not talking about that is a big problem for the campaign. >> rose: everybody says the election is about the future so they can make their pitch on economy and the jobs is about the future by arguing that this real estate had an opportunity and couldn't fix it and they have a plan so their plan is about the future? >> but it is much less to do with the actual plan, there are elements of the plan oh i need to know all the details of the plan. >> rose: it is what. >> the american public has a sense one this pie gets what the problem is and two he i
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>> we don't believe there's any reason to cut benefits to people who are receiving medicare and medicare/social security but we could do some things like raise the cap on social security or we could allow medicare part-d to negotiate drug prices like the v.a. already does. there are ways to find waste, fraud and abuse and make some changes that will get more benefits to more people. but making the most vulnerable people in our society bear the burden of this fiscal problem that we're in right now, i think is unfair. it really wouldn't help our economy much. >> brown: let me bring in tom price on that. on the entitlements question. what kind of specific cuts to benefits or changes to the system do you think are required? how deep? >> please understand that current law, the president's law right now, the law of the land, makes it so that medicare, medicaid and social security all are on a road to insolvency. that's the current law. we believe that those three programs, medicaid, medicare and social security need to be saved and strengthened and secured. through our budget proposal we've ha
>> we don't believe there's any reason to cut benefits to people who are receiving medicare and medicare/social security but we could do some things like raise the cap on social security or we could allow medicare part-d to negotiate drug prices like the v.a. already does. there are ways to find waste, fraud and abuse and make some changes that will get more benefits to more people. but making the most vulnerable people in our society bear the burden of this fiscal problem that we're in...
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anybody that tells a medicare patient today medicare won't change, everything is going to be just the same five years from now is telling them an untruth. it is a fiscal impossibility for us -- >> rose: have you seen a reasonable proposal for cutting entitle its, entitlements from the administration. >> no never. >> do you think the proposal from ryan is reasonable? >> it is reasonable to send us on the way to getting healthy, i think it takes too long, but, yes, i would vote for it. > the sooner we solve this problem the more economic growth there is going to be. in other words, if you want -- what i hope for our country is what i saw growing up, a vibrant economically bountifully country that is rewarding risk taking, rewarding hard work, rewarding productivity and it doesn't matter from which class you came, you can come and you can grow. >> rose: there are 100 united states senators, how many senators would say, i am prepared to do everything, most of the stuff that coburn recommends? >> ten. >> rose: ten? >> yes. >> democrats or republicans. >> ten republicans. >> rose: ten repub
anybody that tells a medicare patient today medicare won't change, everything is going to be just the same five years from now is telling them an untruth. it is a fiscal impossibility for us -- >> rose: have you seen a reasonable proposal for cutting entitle its, entitlements from the administration. >> no never. >> do you think the proposal from ryan is reasonable? >> it is reasonable to send us on the way to getting healthy, i think it takes too long, but, yes, i would...
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would slow the rate of growth of medicare to gdp plus one. and then we said gosh if that doesn't work if that is not a deep enough cut then what we have to do is take more drastic steps and one of those drastic steps would include a consideration of a premium support plan like paul recommended or other options but we have to slow the rate of growth to gdp plus one, paul would rather have us go to something like his premium support plan from day one. >> rose: could you support a premium support plan? >> only, only if by making the appropriate cuts now we couldn't slow the rate of growth. i definitely think it has o to e an option, i think something like the wide ryan plan which is a form of a premium support plan with keeping medicare as an option, if it is a competitive option, is one of the things you would want to consider. but i think you would have to also consider other options. you have to remember too, hinter ling and camp and ryan voted against this. we had their votes, it would have been the 18 so we went over to see them. >> rose: i
would slow the rate of growth of medicare to gdp plus one. and then we said gosh if that doesn't work if that is not a deep enough cut then what we have to do is take more drastic steps and one of those drastic steps would include a consideration of a premium support plan like paul recommended or other options but we have to slow the rate of growth to gdp plus one, paul would rather have us go to something like his premium support plan from day one. >> rose: could you support a premium...
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medicare is on the ballot. democrats will preserve and strengthen medicare. republicans will end the medicare guarantee. it's just plain wrong. when you go to the polls, vote for medicare. vote for president obama. social security is on the ballot. democrats enacted it. democrats will fight to preserve it. some republicans want to replace the guarantee of social security with a gamble of private accounts. it's just plain wrong. when you go to the polls, vote for social security. vote for president barak obama. and the hard fought rights of women are on the ballot. democrats trust the judgment of women. we reject the republican assault on women's reproductive health. it's just plain wrong. when you go to the polls, vote for women's rights. vote for president obama. and our democracy is on the ballot. democrats beef we must curb the influence of special interests on our political institutions. democrats believe we must create jobs, not protect the special interests. we must build the economy from the middle out. not the top down. to change policy for the middle
medicare is on the ballot. democrats will preserve and strengthen medicare. republicans will end the medicare guarantee. it's just plain wrong. when you go to the polls, vote for medicare. vote for president obama. social security is on the ballot. democrats enacted it. democrats will fight to preserve it. some republicans want to replace the guarantee of social security with a gamble of private accounts. it's just plain wrong. when you go to the polls, vote for social security. vote for...
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mitt romney and congressman ryan want to take away the promise that makes medicare medicare. they want to give seniors a voucher that cap what is medicare will cover and then tell our seniors they're on their own for what's left that would cost our seniors thousands of dollars every year and if they don't have the money it could cost our seniors their lives. but that didn't stop romney and ryan from telling the american people that their plan won't hurt seniors. the fact is, it will. and president obama's plan will protect medicare and protect our seniors. (cheers and applause) facts are stubborn things! (applause) now, when congressman ryan got his turn he blamed president obama for an auto plant that closed under president george w. bush. remember him? here is the fact, congressman ryan: when president obama took office in january of 2009 the chrysler plant in belvedere, illinois, employed just 200 people. and today because president obama saved the auto industry that same chrysler plant is employing more than 4,000 american workers! (cheers and applause) now, there's somet
mitt romney and congressman ryan want to take away the promise that makes medicare medicare. they want to give seniors a voucher that cap what is medicare will cover and then tell our seniors they're on their own for what's left that would cost our seniors thousands of dollars every year and if they don't have the money it could cost our seniors their lives. but that didn't stop romney and ryan from telling the american people that their plan won't hurt seniors. the fact is, it will. and...
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don't cut medicare. don't cut medicaid. ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share of taxes. and by the way, take a look at military spending as well." that is what, by and large, the american people are saying. >> the polls show that? the polls show that? >> polls show that. so you would think that even if you were a hack politician who didn't believe any of this, you would stand up and fight for those principles. what i am going to do working with some of my progressive colleagues is say, "no, we are not going to balance this budget on the backs of the elderly, the children, the sick, and the poor. social security has not contributed one nickel to the deficit. we are not going to cut social security." i am waiting. and we're doing everything that we can to beg the president, "get up and say what you said four years ago." and that is you're not going to cut social security. that's what the american people want to hear. >> you know, everyone seems to agree that our deficits are unsustainable,
don't cut medicare. don't cut medicaid. ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share of taxes. and by the way, take a look at military spending as well." that is what, by and large, the american people are saying. >> the polls show that? the polls show that? >> polls show that. so you would think that even if you were a hack politician who didn't believe any of this, you would stand up and fight for those principles. what i am going to do working...
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spending on social security and medicare will almost double over the next ten years. it's the fast-growing part of the budget. >> i think the american people increasingly understand that we have incredibly severe budget problems and they cannot be solved by getting rid of foreign aid and waste fraud and abuse that most of the money that the federal government spends goes to entitlement programs and most of that money goes to middle income seniors. >> reporter: the easy fixes many people offer for our budget problems will do little to solve the problem. consider foreign aid. you'll hear a lot of people suggest we slash it to get our spending under control. but, if the empire state building represented every dollar the federal government spends in a year, cutting out foreign aid completely would only lop off about half a floor. another common suggestion is to cut waste fraud and abuse. but you'll find the biggest source of abuse is not that easy to fix. the i.r.s. figures americans duck out on $385 billion in taxes every year. but fixing that would require much tougher
spending on social security and medicare will almost double over the next ten years. it's the fast-growing part of the budget. >> i think the american people increasingly understand that we have incredibly severe budget problems and they cannot be solved by getting rid of foreign aid and waste fraud and abuse that most of the money that the federal government spends goes to entitlement programs and most of that money goes to middle income seniors. >> reporter: the easy fixes many...
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even the tea party people say keep your hands-off my medicare. i mean they like medicare. and once you start, david's right about financing problems and so forth. but by every measurement it works for the democrats and cuts into that constituency. >> you're saying they got off, and they started going todd aikin, asking him to expand that into a national issue. i mean it doesn't have the legs. i mean it's not an unimportant issue, don't get me wrong but it doesn't have the universal appeal that medicare-- you would have paul ryan having to spend the first third of his speech next week in tampa, defending and explaining his medicare. any time you explain medicare are you losing. >> you don't think that's going to happen. >> i think it will happen. i agree with mark, they got off message this week but they have a bunch of weeks left and it will come back. >> agree spending time talking about the todd aikin was the wrong thing to do. >> let's remember, campaigns don't matter that much. they move a few percentage points. but the things that mat never campaigns are not the indig
even the tea party people say keep your hands-off my medicare. i mean they like medicare. and once you start, david's right about financing problems and so forth. but by every measurement it works for the democrats and cuts into that constituency. >> you're saying they got off, and they started going todd aikin, asking him to expand that into a national issue. i mean it doesn't have the legs. i mean it's not an unimportant issue, don't get me wrong but it doesn't have the universal appeal...
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the feds launch one of the largest crackdowns on medicare fraud. $430 million in scams leads to arrests from coast to coast. >> tom: and we'll introduce you to a company hoping to become the mcdonald's for healthy eaters. >> susie: that and more tonight on nbr! >> tom: it was right back to the campaign trail today for president obama and mitt romney. the president went on the attack after what's been perceived as a lackluster debate performance. and the president accused governor romney of not telling americans the truth about what president obama calls romney's $5 trillion tax plan. darren gersh, tonight, looks at what the real impact of the romney tax plan could be on the american economy. >> reporter: here's where the president gets that $5 trillion number he used again today. governor romney's plan to cut tax rates by 20% would add up to about $5 trillion over ten years, assuming no other changes. but governor romney is planning to make other changes by eliminating tax deductions worth about the same amount. but the president is accurate when he says governor romney is making many p
the feds launch one of the largest crackdowns on medicare fraud. $430 million in scams leads to arrests from coast to coast. >> tom: and we'll introduce you to a company hoping to become the mcdonald's for healthy eaters. >> susie: that and more tonight on nbr! >> tom: it was right back to the campaign trail today for president obama and mitt romney. the president went on the attack after what's been perceived as a lackluster debate performance. and the president accused...
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would medicare competition help contain costs? we go behind vice-presidential nominepaul ryan's proposal to add market competition to the federal program and compare it to health insurance for federal employees. tonight's edition of "need to know" examines how changing demographics are reshaping the political landscape. "america by the numbers" airs tonight on most pbs stations. and tomorrow is american graduate day, when public media partners from around the country present a full day of programming about the nation's school dropout crisis. on "the rundown," we have a lineup of what and when to watch. all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. judy. >> woodruff: and monday is the start of american graduate week on the newshour. the first of five consecutive stories is a conversation with three people who know exactly what it's like to want to drop out of high school. that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. >> brown: and i'm jeffrey brown. "washington week" can be seen later this evening on most pbs statio
would medicare competition help contain costs? we go behind vice-presidential nominepaul ryan's proposal to add market competition to the federal program and compare it to health insurance for federal employees. tonight's edition of "need to know" examines how changing demographics are reshaping the political landscape. "america by the numbers" airs tonight on most pbs stations. and tomorrow is american graduate day, when public media partners from around the country present...
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on medicare, when you ask who is for preserving prorx tecting medicare who has been the champion of it, voters and especially over 65 in states like ohio, pennsylvania, florida and iowa which now are in play i think more, you know, identify with the democrats as being the champion. >> so he's saying democrats can get away with playing around with it more than help cans. >> that's definitely true. republicans have a credibility gap. if they can just fight this to a draw it will be a huge advantage for them. and not to go even further in the weeds and mark already took us, but-- the ryan budget did accept those cuts, mostly because once they are in the baseline and writing a budget it's hard to get them out. he did not take those cuts and spend them on anything else. he left them for medicare and if you are starting from scratch, he would prefer to repeal all of bama care including those cuts and technically they don't hit benefits to cuts but when are you hitting the providers, the physicians and the hospitals as hard as these cut does, year-over-year, they going totally unsustainable.
on medicare, when you ask who is for preserving prorx tecting medicare who has been the champion of it, voters and especially over 65 in states like ohio, pennsylvania, florida and iowa which now are in play i think more, you know, identify with the democrats as being the champion. >> so he's saying democrats can get away with playing around with it more than help cans. >> that's definitely true. republicans have a credibility gap. if they can just fight this to a draw it will be a...
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medicare costs are also running higher than expected. darren gersh takes a look at what's driving the changes. >> reporter: 11 million people now depend on social security for disability benefits. but the money in the disability trust fund will now gone by 2016. congress could swap assets from the retirement part of social security and put it into the disability program. but that's just a temporary fix. and it would hurt the rest of social security. the trustees responsible for social security have downshifted their outlook for wages and tax revenues. that's why they are now predicting social security's biggest deficit since 1983. >> congress must begin the process of deciding what levels of benefits and taxation best serve the interests of younger americans who are increasingly uncertain whether they can count on social security. >> reporter: but if congress acts, the obama administration wants a balanced approach. >> we will not support proposals that sow the seeds of their destruction in the name of reform or that shift the cost of he
medicare costs are also running higher than expected. darren gersh takes a look at what's driving the changes. >> reporter: 11 million people now depend on social security for disability benefits. but the money in the disability trust fund will now gone by 2016. congress could swap assets from the retirement part of social security and put it into the disability program. but that's just a temporary fix. and it would hurt the rest of social security. the trustees responsible for social...
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they praised medicare in song and even called for expanding it into universal health care for everyone. it seems the republican speaker of the house, john boehner, was coming up from washington to raise funds for republican congressional candidate maggie brooks, the raging granny's wanted to make certain miss brooks didn't sign on to the gop budget which includes custom medicare. the raging grannies channelled a familiar voice, the texas twang of my boss back in 1965, i was a white house assistant at the time and had been working with the president and others on the team, trying to get medicare through congress, even with overwhelming democratic majorities in the house and senate, it was one tough fight. others had tried before us. in his 1948 state of the union message, president harry truman sa said -- >> this great nation cannot afford to let the citizens suffer needlessly from the lack of proper medical care. our ultimate aim is a comprehensive system to protect our people against insecurity and ill health. >> every time harry truman proposed legislation to do just that, congress r
they praised medicare in song and even called for expanding it into universal health care for everyone. it seems the republican speaker of the house, john boehner, was coming up from washington to raise funds for republican congressional candidate maggie brooks, the raging granny's wanted to make certain miss brooks didn't sign on to the gop budget which includes custom medicare. the raging grannies channelled a familiar voice, the texas twang of my boss back in 1965, i was a white house...
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and medicaid, and then the medicare product itself, skinnier-- seniors are aging into medicare elig able, particularly with the demographic. >> tom: like the diversified revenue there i have to move on for the one you said ill-prepared, wellpoint, wlp, just under 30 seconds here, what makes you think this business model isn't ready. >> they have a gate deal of exposure to the commercial marketsing particularly the retail individual market and. they are not growing as well in the growing government platforms that i brought up and then finally despite the blue brands and very strong market share in every local market that they are present in, they have not really played a leadership role in bending and being part of the solution. >> two to watch there on either side. how about disclosure, do you have a position on it. >> i don't have a position. >> tom: anna, covering the insurance stocks with us. >> susie: the restaurant business is one of the toughest in the world. more close than open every year and on average the life span is a short two years. so how does one family-owned and ope
and medicaid, and then the medicare product itself, skinnier-- seniors are aging into medicare elig able, particularly with the demographic. >> tom: like the diversified revenue there i have to move on for the one you said ill-prepared, wellpoint, wlp, just under 30 seconds here, what makes you think this business model isn't ready. >> they have a gate deal of exposure to the commercial marketsing particularly the retail individual market and. they are not growing as well in the...
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or simply raising the age of medicare eligibility or cutting back on medicare, my guess is the republicans will stand with the drug companies and not with the needs of ordinary people. >> what i hear you saying is that whatever your major concern as a citizen, whether it's deficit reduction or medicare and medicaid and social security or the environment, global climate change, it all comes back to how we receive information. and that this issue you're addressing in this letter is at the heart of your -- >> bill, many of the viewers there are concerned about the growing gap, unequal distribution of wealth and income. they're concerned about health care, concerned about global warming, concerned about women's rights, health, and many, many other issues. if you are concerned about those issues, you must be concerned about media and the increased concentration of ownership in the media. because unless we get ordinary people involved in that discussion. unless we make media relevant to the lives of ordinary people and not use it as a distraction, we are not going to resolve many of these seriou
or simply raising the age of medicare eligibility or cutting back on medicare, my guess is the republicans will stand with the drug companies and not with the needs of ordinary people. >> what i hear you saying is that whatever your major concern as a citizen, whether it's deficit reduction or medicare and medicaid and social security or the environment, global climate change, it all comes back to how we receive information. and that this issue you're addressing in this letter is at the...
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, what about thinking about the gaps in medicare? it's a good program if there's no coverage for hearing aids, hearing aids batteries, dental care, dentures. these are real needs for seniors. so these programs can be adjusted by improveing the efficiencies of the programs but maybe bringing home some revenue not going back to the old mantra of let's cut, cut, cut. >> woodruff: we hear you and i know those are arguments you've bullpen making all over washington. max ritchman, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> woodruff: and we'll have different perspectives in the coming days. online we have a report from our partners at kaiser health news on how the fiscal cliff could affect health care for the military and for medicare patients. >> brown: next, a potential crisis of a different kind, one that has new urgency after hurricane sandy and that also involves federal spending: rising sea levels. today, new york city mayor michael bloomberg announced a new long-term initiative to protect the city from future natural disasters. he c
, what about thinking about the gaps in medicare? it's a good program if there's no coverage for hearing aids, hearing aids batteries, dental care, dentures. these are real needs for seniors. so these programs can be adjusted by improveing the efficiencies of the programs but maybe bringing home some revenue not going back to the old mantra of let's cut, cut, cut. >> woodruff: we hear you and i know those are arguments you've bullpen making all over washington. max ritchman, thank you so...
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so while they are talking about the medicare part of the plan. he's going to be talking about the medicate part of the plan. >> they say it might cost him an election. he's not to believe one running. what's the risk? is it the same as it was last year, the rissing k of getting involved with something that has -- risk of getting involved with somethinging that has that cut? >> medicaid perhaps a little bit less. but these are sort of cherished programs and we've seen that since the first ryan budget and we're going to see it again. it's interesting that the balance that the republicans are trying to strike. you don't criticize or distance yourself from paul ryan. newt gingrich found that out when he was critical of a ryan budget but at the same tie they don't want to embrace it completely. so you're seeing them walk this line where they're supportive of the ryan budget but they're not embracing it completely. >> what's his goal? >> again, he was fairly clear that help doesn't think this is going to become law right away. he wants to put out there
so while they are talking about the medicare part of the plan. he's going to be talking about the medicate part of the plan. >> they say it might cost him an election. he's not to believe one running. what's the risk? is it the same as it was last year, the rissing k of getting involved with something that has -- risk of getting involved with somethinging that has that cut? >> medicaid perhaps a little bit less. but these are sort of cherished programs and we've seen that since the...
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huge cuts for medicaid and medicare, which is the primary program for seniors. their program does not respect women's reproductive rights. it is anti-gay. it is the kind of exclusionary program this country is not comfortable with. it violates major tenants. they understand what the economic and social programs are coming out of the romney-right in campaign. >> since you mention medicaid, let me ask you to explain what this debate is about. most americans are just starting to tune in to the sprint from labor day to election day. you have these upcoming debates. there is going to be a lot of back-and-forth about medicaid. these charges are going back and forth between the camps. give me your view about what this is about. >> there are two programs -- medicare and medicaid, which is for poor people but also for many seniors who have lost their assets and need medicaid. with medicare, what paul ryan and presumably ryan want to do is to turn medicaid into vouchers. they do not keep up with expenditures in health care costs. with regard to medicaid, they want to turn
huge cuts for medicaid and medicare, which is the primary program for seniors. their program does not respect women's reproductive rights. it is anti-gay. it is the kind of exclusionary program this country is not comfortable with. it violates major tenants. they understand what the economic and social programs are coming out of the romney-right in campaign. >> since you mention medicaid, let me ask you to explain what this debate is about. most americans are just starting to tune in to...
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we're going to put that money back into medicare. gwen: going into these debates we were all probably guilty of setting the expectations bar and it was pretty high for president obama. i think the polls before showed him like 51% thought he was going to win. 29% thought romney was going to win. compare this to previous incumbents. was it an incumbent's curse at the first debate? >> i think there's some of that but in contrast to some of those previous cases where an incumbent had problems in the first debate. ronald reagan in 1984 lost his train of thought if his first statement. gwen: on the pacific coast highway. >> right. and it gave rise to questions as -- if he was too old. this was a case that i thought from start to finish governor romney was the dominant character in the debate. he was much more forceful so in that sense its it was a much more decisive case of somebody winning and somebody losing. >> there wasn't that single moment that memorable you're no jack kennedy kind of putdown. it was very strong substantive. in fact,
we're going to put that money back into medicare. gwen: going into these debates we were all probably guilty of setting the expectations bar and it was pretty high for president obama. i think the polls before showed him like 51% thought he was going to win. 29% thought romney was going to win. compare this to previous incumbents. was it an incumbent's curse at the first debate? >> i think there's some of that but in contrast to some of those previous cases where an incumbent had problems...
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. >> rose: what is your mother's view. >> we both support medicare and wouldn't support reforms to medicare that would hurt her mr. >> the only way to change med compare is accept the fact that my medicare and the people in my generation, i am 41 years old, my medicare if i want it to be reformed in a way that doesn't change the way my mom gets medicare it is going to look different than hers it is probably going to look a lot like some of these proposals that have been out here -- >> like paul ryan would like to see. >> that is one solution. >> rose: is that the solution you agree with. >> it is the only one out there i plea with right now and the only one that is proposed that is serious, when people talk about paul ryan's plan which is also senator widen's plan. >> rose: which is also mitt romney's plan. >> but here is my question if you don't like it what is your plan? that is my response. >> rose: fair enough. >> and i don't know people ask me how do you like it, i say compared to what, right now the only serious plan to say medicare. >> rose: you are saying i like it because it is the
. >> rose: what is your mother's view. >> we both support medicare and wouldn't support reforms to medicare that would hurt her mr. >> the only way to change med compare is accept the fact that my medicare and the people in my generation, i am 41 years old, my medicare if i want it to be reformed in a way that doesn't change the way my mom gets medicare it is going to look different than hers it is probably going to look a lot like some of these proposals that have been out...
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. >> reporter: all sides seem to agree, if congress wanted to, it could have simply extended medicare or medicaid to cover all americans. and law professor susan bloch says that could influence justice kennedy's thinking. >> because everyone agrees congress could do this mega- public option, which is much more infringing on our individual choices, that i think will convince kennedy to uphold this. but its a very hard prediction because he was clearly troubled by the law today. >> reporter: we should know where justice kennedy and his colleagues come down on the reach of health care reform by the end of june. that's the traditional deadline for the most historic opinions. darren gersh, "nightly business report," washington. >> susie: our next guest is a health economist who played a key role in developing the healthcare reform law in massachusetts. he's jonathan gruber, professor of economics at m.i.t. hi, jon. >> good to be here. >> susie: so you heard our report. i know you're following this case very carefully. how do you think it's going to play out? will the supreme court strike d
. >> reporter: all sides seem to agree, if congress wanted to, it could have simply extended medicare or medicaid to cover all americans. and law professor susan bloch says that could influence justice kennedy's thinking. >> because everyone agrees congress could do this mega- public option, which is much more infringing on our individual choices, that i think will convince kennedy to uphold this. but its a very hard prediction because he was clearly troubled by the law today....
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he only touched on medicare in this speech. that is going to be a rising issue in the rest of this campaign because you have got a lot of questions on both sides. both what he and obama want to do on medicare. obama has been savvy enough to avoid the whole atomic like most people running for office do. >> in the so-called obamacare they did take $716 billion out of medicare to finance that medical program. >> i'm saying the republicans, the republicans. >> fact checker. >> before you get me wrong. if i agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. it is a real issue here that everybody has to focus on. nobody has a perfect solution to the problem. >> the money came out of reimbursements from providers and much of it was put back approximate into reducing the donut hole of preventive exams for seniors. no senior has lost any ben fates because of that money plus ryan appropriates that money that loss in his own plan. >> i think it is important to add though, here's the good thing about one of the many good things about paul ryan to the ex
he only touched on medicare in this speech. that is going to be a rising issue in the rest of this campaign because you have got a lot of questions on both sides. both what he and obama want to do on medicare. obama has been savvy enough to avoid the whole atomic like most people running for office do. >> in the so-called obamacare they did take $716 billion out of medicare to finance that medical program. >> i'm saying the republicans, the republicans. >> fact checker....
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it is not just medicare, medicaid, and the social security, but those are the big ones. and so, that will also be part of it. if we can get to a compromise of cutting spending and defense, cutting medicare and social security, you get to a place where cutting back and raising revenue whether it is just extending those tax cuts for the people making under $250,000, still talking about raising $1 trillion in revenue, hopefully that will be enough. tavis: they say that social security is off the table, he is taking get off the table so we will see where the conversation goes. we talked about how wall street is going to navigate the way forward, but how will consumers navigate the way forward? >> i think we are facing our own austerity programs. of an individual basis, we need to look at our own lives and to say, what does this mean for me? what does it mean for my long term savings? i expected to worry about recession will cause a change in behavior. we are not out of the woods, we are talking about 8% unemployment, an economy that is not growing that much. i think the pres
it is not just medicare, medicaid, and the social security, but those are the big ones. and so, that will also be part of it. if we can get to a compromise of cutting spending and defense, cutting medicare and social security, you get to a place where cutting back and raising revenue whether it is just extending those tax cuts for the people making under $250,000, still talking about raising $1 trillion in revenue, hopefully that will be enough. tavis: they say that social security is off the...
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they knew that a lot of the people getting medicare would be hispanic in arizona. they are being nice, and generous, giving. come 2008, they have become the lead dogs in the anti-immigrant fight. in a time of prosperity, they take a liberal position. things go downhill, and they get nasty. tavis: just a minute to go. the budget that president obama has just offered up, are there any signals about how this is going to trent? >> the budget this year is going to be gridlock fight. he is staking out the position that we have got to spend some money now on infrastructure, on community colleges that will start training people for jobs. taking what a lot of economists tend to agree with that you have to -- going for austerity is not a good strategy. he set himself up by supporting a lot of the austerity principles are early in his administration. he is trying to regain control of the debate. romney is taking up the opposite position. the budget will be a big fight. i do not think it will get anywhere. >> the president staking out one position, how does his embrace of this
they knew that a lot of the people getting medicare would be hispanic in arizona. they are being nice, and generous, giving. come 2008, they have become the lead dogs in the anti-immigrant fight. in a time of prosperity, they take a liberal position. things go downhill, and they get nasty. tavis: just a minute to go. the budget that president obama has just offered up, are there any signals about how this is going to trent? >> the budget this year is going to be gridlock fight. he is...
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. >> it's open enrollment time for medicare part d. if you're 65 years or older, disabled or a care giver for someone on medicare, you have from now until december 7 to review and modify your prescription drug plan. approximately 49 million people are enrolled in medicare part d and can expect an average annual premium increase of 7%, but increases can vary from as low as 1% to as much as 23%. any changes you make will be effective january 1, 2013. medicare has increased coverage for brand name and generic drugs in the donut hole, the gap between initial coverage limit and maximum coverage and expanded coverage to include depression, alcohol abuse and cardiovascular disease. compare the cost of prescription drugs, both brand name and generic; determine if your preferred pharmacy is in the plan's network; and consider whether you want co-insurance or co-payment coverage or some combination of both. with more benefits, better choices and lower costs, it makes sense to shop and compare. to find a plan, go to: www.medicare.gov. i'm karen g
. >> it's open enrollment time for medicare part d. if you're 65 years or older, disabled or a care giver for someone on medicare, you have from now until december 7 to review and modify your prescription drug plan. approximately 49 million people are enrolled in medicare part d and can expect an average annual premium increase of 7%, but increases can vary from as low as 1% to as much as 23%. any changes you make will be effective january 1, 2013. medicare has increased coverage for...
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they say wait, what about these medicare cuts. 9 only people that brought up medicare cuts were the republican was talked about obama was going to cut $716 billion so now we're in a situation where nobody wants his or her fingerprints on the medicare cuts. >> uh-huh. >> okay. the medicare cuts, i can assure you, and this is going to upset a lot of people, will appear in the negotiations. they will be-- paternity will be denied but they will miraculously appear. and i think we've got to outline what will go ahead with the deal. >> who is playing what hand, who is playing from strength here at this point. >> on this the president has the strength. no he request. first he won the election. second the polling shows that people are more likely to blame the republicans. third, if you look at the way the rules of the fiscal cliff are structured, the republicans lose big. the cuts, the sequestration, the cuts come out of defense disproportionately so they come out of republicans, so a lot of republicans said this is not a great place to wage this fight. we would rather not fight here. >> what do you t
they say wait, what about these medicare cuts. 9 only people that brought up medicare cuts were the republican was talked about obama was going to cut $716 billion so now we're in a situation where nobody wants his or her fingerprints on the medicare cuts. >> uh-huh. >> okay. the medicare cuts, i can assure you, and this is going to upset a lot of people, will appear in the negotiations. they will be-- paternity will be denied but they will miraculously appear. and i think we've got...
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their budget breaks the medicare guarantee. so if you don't believe in the public role, it's hard to find common ground. that wasn't the way it used to be. i just had the privilege of speaking at texas a&m at the invitation of president george herbert walker bush. >> rose: his library is there. >> his library is there. on president's day. i was honored to receive his invitation and we talked at that time about civility and how we've... we're at a different place on the spectrum on some issues and could find common ground. but the vitriol that was injected later into the process is just very harmful and i praised him. kinder gentler nation, thousand points of light. a gentleman and a statesman. but things had gotten different, as you know, later in the' 940s when the republicans took control of the congress. so, again, if we can reduce the role of money, that suffocation of money, increase the level of civility, that's what we have to do for our country. and i'll promise you one thing. >> rose: what's that? >> if we do, we'll ha
their budget breaks the medicare guarantee. so if you don't believe in the public role, it's hard to find common ground. that wasn't the way it used to be. i just had the privilege of speaking at texas a&m at the invitation of president george herbert walker bush. >> rose: his library is there. >> his library is there. on president's day. i was honored to receive his invitation and we talked at that time about civility and how we've... we're at a different place on the spectrum...
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but it knows it wants medicare, that is what the message it. >> they definitely want medicare. >> could i just say that on the day that the todd aiken story broke, i watched both these guys give stump speeches. not one word from either one of them about the so-called social issues. and you know, romney was trying, is trying to move toward the center. but his party just won't let him. >> you guys all talked to people inside the romney campaign. if you would lay out all these arguments as i'm sure you have, what would they say? >> unlike ability is going up. these issues are against you and you've done nothing to fix them, hispanics, women, what would they say in they say you've got it all wrong because we're waiting for our moment, our moment hasn't gone. we've got tons of money. our campaign will redefine, people aren't paying attention, what else? >> those are some of the things they would say. i think in their mind the, you mentioned a bunch of things. you talked about the fact that they are going to have a huge spending, the republicans at large will have a huge spending advantage in
but it knows it wants medicare, that is what the message it. >> they definitely want medicare. >> could i just say that on the day that the todd aiken story broke, i watched both these guys give stump speeches. not one word from either one of them about the so-called social issues. and you know, romney was trying, is trying to move toward the center. but his party just won't let him. >> you guys all talked to people inside the romney campaign. if you would lay out all these...
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"medicare has symbolic value. and raising the age qualification would send the message that democrats take this fiscal crisis seriously." >> all that results in is more old people getting sick, winding up with more costly care. it's one of these sort of penny wise and pound foolish measures. you know, again, the big problem with medicare is that we have a health care cost problem in this country. and the health cost problem, whether they're in the medicare system or whether they're out of the medicare system. i mean, we have our health care costs are twice per capita -- more than twice what most countries are in the advanced world. and we have generally speaking worse outcomes. so if we would fix health care, we would fix this problem. but there's just no will to fix health care, particularly after obama did a big health care reform and it didn't fix the problem. >> i don't really understand why this raising the medicare age has become a big issue. it saves very little money in the short run. you have to go out de
"medicare has symbolic value. and raising the age qualification would send the message that democrats take this fiscal crisis seriously." >> all that results in is more old people getting sick, winding up with more costly care. it's one of these sort of penny wise and pound foolish measures. you know, again, the big problem with medicare is that we have a health care cost problem in this country. and the health cost problem, whether they're in the medicare system or whether...
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medicare costs have been rising far faster than g.d.p. growth plus one percent. >> the way the republicans have set it up, it actually will just shift the cost on to the beneficiaries themselves. if the voucher doesn't cover their medicare they have to reach into their pocket and make up the difference. the median income for a medicare beneficiary is about $22,000-$25,000 a year. those folks cannot really dig into their pockets to make up the difference between the voucher and what medicare actually costs. >> reporter: even with the affordable care act, tracy morgan did have to dig deep into her own pockets. >> i paid a premium. i had a deductible. i went through about $60,000 of our own personal savings which, you know, i feel fortunate to have. i know a lot of people don't have $60,000 to go through. >> reporter: what would you have done had north carolina not adopted affordable care act? >> i would have lost everything. to keep up with the payments. there's no way i would have just stopped them. he probably would have wanted me to. tha
medicare costs have been rising far faster than g.d.p. growth plus one percent. >> the way the republicans have set it up, it actually will just shift the cost on to the beneficiaries themselves. if the voucher doesn't cover their medicare they have to reach into their pocket and make up the difference. the median income for a medicare beneficiary is about $22,000-$25,000 a year. those folks cannot really dig into their pockets to make up the difference between the voucher and what...
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agree to save $300 to $400 billion from medicare by cutting fees for doctors and hospitals. but analysts worry slashing payments won't make the health care system more efficient. >> this is not really a way to structurally change medicare and if you don't change the underlying incentives, you don't get long-term savings. >> reporter: progressives at the center for american progress say the government could save close to $150 billion by squeezing the prices the government pays for drugs. but many of the president's allies reject the idea of aggressively raising co-payments for patients. and they also consider benefits based on a patient's financial situation a risky idea. >> if people want to ask the wealthy to pay more, the time to ask them to pay more is when they can afford it, which is to say when they are working, not when they are retired. so they way to do that is to ask them to pay a little bit more in taxes. >> reporter: the president and congressional leaders are unlikely to raise the retirement age for medicare to 67 since polls show that's very unpopular. and they
agree to save $300 to $400 billion from medicare by cutting fees for doctors and hospitals. but analysts worry slashing payments won't make the health care system more efficient. >> this is not really a way to structurally change medicare and if you don't change the underlying incentives, you don't get long-term savings. >> reporter: progressives at the center for american progress say the government could save close to $150 billion by squeezing the prices the government pays for...
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that's the idea behind their medicare proposal. i don't think it's an overstatement. if you combine that with their tax policy which is generous for people who are wealthy. why would they do that, need to have massive kurts in things that help young people their education, senior citizens with their health care to pay for tax cuts we don't need. when bill clinton was president we had tax rates we think we should go back. >> charlie:if you eliminate bush -- just eliminating the tax just that go back to the bill clinton rate. >> correct. >> charlie:let me change tt idea of the president. you work closely ily with him. you're right there policy and politics meet in the oval office. what do you now know about him that you did not know before? >> that's an interesting question. there's probably a lot of things that fall into that category. i would have to say having the job more often the things i have to bring in are hard. if they're easy they don't come to me. if i can take care of them, -- the job of chief of staff frequently go in with choices you wish you would better
that's the idea behind their medicare proposal. i don't think it's an overstatement. if you combine that with their tax policy which is generous for people who are wealthy. why would they do that, need to have massive kurts in things that help young people their education, senior citizens with their health care to pay for tax cuts we don't need. when bill clinton was president we had tax rates we think we should go back. >> charlie:if you eliminate bush -- just eliminating the tax just...
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>> i think the democrats are irresponsible on medicare. i think the democrats are terrible. >> it will be capping of the mortgage interest rate deduction. that will be -- >> let me bring this up and go to mark and nina. >> evan is right. paul ryan has a budget where there is none of the spinach. it is in general and vague. charles apparel has some pipeline -- apparently has some pipeline t. knows what is in paul ryan's mine. $5 to end in tax cuts -- >> -- $5 trillion in tax cuts -- >> that is false. on social security, he has offered to raise the retirement age. democrats have offered zero. on medicare, for which paul ryan and republicans have got slaughtered, the idea is to go to a premium support system. the democrats have offered zero except demagoguery. on discretionary spending, rya andn has all kinds of cuts. -- ryan has all kinds of cuts. i agree come in 1 area, he spoke about lowering rates but he did not specify where the local cuts are going but having gone out on a limb, you are asking the republicans to commit suicide by spelli
>> i think the democrats are irresponsible on medicare. i think the democrats are terrible. >> it will be capping of the mortgage interest rate deduction. that will be -- >> let me bring this up and go to mark and nina. >> evan is right. paul ryan has a budget where there is none of the spinach. it is in general and vague. charles apparel has some pipeline -- apparently has some pipeline t. knows what is in paul ryan's mine. $5 to end in tax cuts -- >> -- $5...
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also, president obama's plan cut $500 billion from medicare without doing anything to shore up medicare financing. governor romney didn't do anything along those lines. nor did governor romney create an ipab which is very unpopular and will lead to bureaucrats getting in between patients and their doctors. >> suarez: we'll keep watching the numbers and keep talk. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> brown: we continue our coverage of the supreme court's ruling with a blog from gwen ifill on how the momentous day's events unfolded and how many in the news media initially got things all wrong. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and gerson, syndicated columnist mark shields and "washington post" columnist michael gerson, filling in for david brooks. gentlemen, good to you have with us. >> great to be here. >> woodruff: the solt hair ruling-- the health care ruling, mark, what is your take on it. >> my take on it, judy, is i had been unaware of how disspirited, even demoralized democrats had become until that health care decision came down. there was a new spring in d
also, president obama's plan cut $500 billion from medicare without doing anything to shore up medicare financing. governor romney didn't do anything along those lines. nor did governor romney create an ipab which is very unpopular and will lead to bureaucrats getting in between patients and their doctors. >> suarez: we'll keep watching the numbers and keep talk. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> brown: we continue our coverage of the supreme court's ruling...
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here's medicare. we're worried about medicare and we can document that there's at least $100 billion in fraud and medicare. why? why would he have... if the system is designed to be defrauded, why haven't we changed the system? >> woodruff: what about the role that the tax cuts have played that came in under the previous administration under president bush and the two wars, all of which have contributed enormously. >> there's no question that they have contributed but you need to look at their scope. the war is $1.2 trillion, all right? we have unfunded liabilities of $131 trillion in medicare and social security alone. that's with... here's the other thing that most people don't know. government uses government accounting. if you use generally accepted accounting principles our unfunded liabilities right now that your kids, my kids, and our grand kids are going to have to pay for us is $131 trillion. that's a million dollars per child born today in this country >> woodruff: a big part of the argument
here's medicare. we're worried about medicare and we can document that there's at least $100 billion in fraud and medicare. why? why would he have... if the system is designed to be defrauded, why haven't we changed the system? >> woodruff: what about the role that the tax cuts have played that came in under the previous administration under president bush and the two wars, all of which have contributed enormously. >> there's no question that they have contributed but you need to...
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most democrats, a majority voted for medicare part d. and who was the author president bush's legislation for no child left behind? >> rose: edward kennedy. >> edward kennedy the liberal lion. that was not that long ago. how did it go so bad so quickly. >> rose: let me turn to the election where do you see it? >> barack obama being elected in the electoral college. >> rose: but not necessarily in the popular vote. >> not necessarily in the popular vote. president obama has a good, solid lead in the states i think he could lose red states by enormous majorities. >> rose: places like texas-- >> absolutely. look at john kerry's election. if he had gotten 71,000 more votes in ohio, he's president of the united states despite getting three million less popular votes, direct votes, three million less votes. it's one of the reasons i say in the book, we've get to begin the process -- >> rose: what could john kerry have done to have won ohio? >> ( sighs ) many things, many things. the easy way he wins ohio and the election, is answer the swift b
most democrats, a majority voted for medicare part d. and who was the author president bush's legislation for no child left behind? >> rose: edward kennedy. >> edward kennedy the liberal lion. that was not that long ago. how did it go so bad so quickly. >> rose: let me turn to the election where do you see it? >> barack obama being elected in the electoral college. >> rose: but not necessarily in the popular vote. >> not necessarily in the popular vote....
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on the medicare train is a land war in asia for us. there's some consultants who disagree. some people say this is going to big election, we'll go on the democratic turf and beat them. it thereby first time in my 28 year career running elections i've seen that and i'm hoping i'm wrong. under the old rule book there's a lot of risk here. >> rose: you have been the person who's been most articulate about entrepreneurship and how it can build societies and give people a future. could mitt romney make an argument "i'm that man. i'm more in tune with those ideas that you have than the other guy." >> gotta go now, charlie lachlt laugh (laughs) >> rose: it's a hard question. >> it's a very hard question for me because i do think in terms of things that float my boat i love being with inventors and innovators and people are trying to change the world and leverage technology to do good things. and i think that does probably resonate more with romney than barack obama. but at the same time what bothered me here last night, it's all related so th
on the medicare train is a land war in asia for us. there's some consultants who disagree. some people say this is going to big election, we'll go on the democratic turf and beat them. it thereby first time in my 28 year career running elections i've seen that and i'm hoping i'm wrong. under the old rule book there's a lot of risk here. >> rose: you have been the person who's been most articulate about entrepreneurship and how it can build societies and give people a future. could mitt...
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as you know the action we took under the affordable care act extended the life of the medicare trust fund by seven years. so we made some real serious effort there in making sure that we could guarantee medicare for longer. we have some more work to do. i think we're willing to have that conversation. but we have to start with a commitment to medicare. >> ifill: should democrats be prepared to go over the edge of the cliff if it's necessary to do what you think should be done? >> i think where we are is in a strong position. we just came through an election. the president was very clear about protecting the middle class. tax cuts to the middle class and actually for all americans. again that first $250,000 of income will be... will not see any kind of rate increase. he won. he was very clear about this that he was asking just the top two percent of americans to pay a bit more on income above $250,000. the truth is that's the beginning of the conversation. we have work to do on investments, income as well. we would like to do work on the corporate side, on the business side as well. >
as you know the action we took under the affordable care act extended the life of the medicare trust fund by seven years. so we made some real serious effort there in making sure that we could guarantee medicare for longer. we have some more work to do. i think we're willing to have that conversation. but we have to start with a commitment to medicare. >> ifill: should democrats be prepared to go over the edge of the cliff if it's necessary to do what you think should be done? >> i...
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middle class -- everybody has got to be in. >> even the relatively painless things -- means testing, medicare -- maybe to propose rules to mean testing -- maybe the proposed rules to mean testing -- most of us pay a $20 copay if you go under medicare. that is not enough for people like us. >> mike allen and it jim vandehei wrote a fascinating piece and a politico about this. "the politicians with good jobs and in this town would agree in private at sure, there is a way to do this -- tax reform, entitlement reform." why don't they do it? >> let's give credit to the people who had something on the line and voted for something as tough as of scandals and alan simpson's plan, and that would include -- as erskine bowles and alan simpson's plan, and that would include big durbin, tom coburn, mike crapo from wyoming. there are a handful of people who did. what you are confronted with right now is the reality that not since 1990 has any republican and a house or this and -- the house or the senate voted for any tax increase. what they are terrified of is a primary challenge. they have all of these be
middle class -- everybody has got to be in. >> even the relatively painless things -- means testing, medicare -- maybe to propose rules to mean testing -- maybe the proposed rules to mean testing -- most of us pay a $20 copay if you go under medicare. that is not enough for people like us. >> mike allen and it jim vandehei wrote a fascinating piece and a politico about this. "the politicians with good jobs and in this town would agree in private at sure, there is a way to do...
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that's the idea of raising the eligibility age for medicare. why isn't that something that might actually be a big first step? >> first of all it's very small amounts of money. congressional budget office put it at a little over $100 billion over ten years. that's trivial. it doesn't save very much money. 65- and 66-year-olds are young seniors so they don't cost a lot actually. they don't have the health problems. kicking them off the program doesn't save you very much money. it doesn't bend the cost curve. it makes almost no difference to the financial outlook but it's cruel. it's taking a lot of people who are counting on, able to have finally guaranteed insurance and kicking them out into we don't know whether obama care, how thoroughly it will be implemented. it's just it's it's exactly what i was saying. it sounds serious because it's hurting vulnerable people. if you actually look at the dollars and cents it's not serious at all. of course it will cost people much more. you're talking about saving for every dollar that the government says
that's the idea of raising the eligibility age for medicare. why isn't that something that might actually be a big first step? >> first of all it's very small amounts of money. congressional budget office put it at a little over $100 billion over ten years. that's trivial. it doesn't save very much money. 65- and 66-year-olds are young seniors so they don't cost a lot actually. they don't have the health problems. kicking them off the program doesn't save you very much money. it doesn't...
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roger mentioned medicare and how obama is going to hang onto it. obama said in july of last year no matter how much you raise taxes, medicare is unsustainable. he has donon nothing on that, nothing on social security, nothing on tax reform, and that is why he had nothing to say. >> it felt like "thelma and louise"-- >> what was not said, the most emotional moment of the three days, the parents of gabby giffords -- the appearance of debbie giffords giving the pledge of allegiance. how many of the democrats who spoke at night mentioned gun control? the democrats don't want to talk about it. they want to cheer for gabby and have driven one of lucretias, and she is both of those things. -- how brave and wonderful she is, and she is both of those things. but coming out for gun safety laws is a way to prevent future gabby giffords. >> what about god and wrestle? > -- to jerusalem? >> all swell that ends well. how they were taken out, i don't understand. they still don't have an answer as to why the omission. at the end of the day, they put it back, but i
roger mentioned medicare and how obama is going to hang onto it. obama said in july of last year no matter how much you raise taxes, medicare is unsustainable. he has donon nothing on that, nothing on social security, nothing on tax reform, and that is why he had nothing to say. >> it felt like "thelma and louise"-- >> what was not said, the most emotional moment of the three days, the parents of gabby giffords -- the appearance of debbie giffords giving the pledge of...
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. >> rose: a premium they call it a premium. >> they really believe the right way to reform medicare overtime is transform medicare into what you might called a defined contribution program, which won't cover your costs and their hope, their belief in that context that will make people change how they use healthcare. >> rose: people are talking about the role of government and talking about the nature of capitalism and outsource ago whole range of things. tell me how you define this debate. >> >> that you think is essential to our future. >> well, i think what the president's view is, and i completely share this view, and i think history supports it, and i think the challenge that the country -- the best fit to the basic strategy is to make this economy stronger overtime, make sure we are growing and the -- game is more broadly shared you need to have the government not just providing healthcare to our citizens but providing much better education out comes, training out comes so businesses can hire people with the skills they need to compete. you need zero have a financial system tha
. >> rose: a premium they call it a premium. >> they really believe the right way to reform medicare overtime is transform medicare into what you might called a defined contribution program, which won't cover your costs and their hope, their belief in that context that will make people change how they use healthcare. >> rose: people are talking about the role of government and talking about the nature of capitalism and outsource ago whole range of things. tell me how you...
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couldn't you say the sending about medicare? >> professor charles fried it addressed this with ezra klein of "the washington post." he made the point that healthcare is a national problem, and national interest that can and should be regulated and has been regulated, as with medicare, and that the individual mandate should be held constitutional. i think it is the position that a lot of people take, those who are conservative as well. >> charles, if the court strikes down the whole olaw, a single payer system will be inevitable. >> if i had to choose between that system, the canadian system, and the monstrosity that obamacare was going to be, or perhaps will become financially ruinous, intellectually incredibly dishonest, and unworkable, i would choose the canadian system and the american people would. before we go to a canadian system, assuming the law is struck down, we will try the conservative alternative, which would begin with tort reform, which would have to do with competition. i think that would be the more proximal alt
couldn't you say the sending about medicare? >> professor charles fried it addressed this with ezra klein of "the washington post." he made the point that healthcare is a national problem, and national interest that can and should be regulated and has been regulated, as with medicare, and that the individual mandate should be held constitutional. i think it is the position that a lot of people take, those who are conservative as well. >> charles, if the court strikes down...